Ryan Wilson: Pouring Cold Water On Justin Williams For Paul Martin Swap Pouring Cold Water On Justin Williams For Paul Martin Swap

But according to LA fans they wouldn't even do Crosby for Williams in the first place

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- jmatchett383

I don't want to put words in bartley's mouth, but he took Weber off the ice for 5 mins.

But according to LA fans they wouldn't even do Crosby for Williams in the first place
- znagle

Of course they wouldn't. He's not as "clutch" as Williams.

I don't want to put words in bartley's mouth, but he took Weber off the ice for 5 mins.
- madmike71[]

Maybe next time he can take him off the ice without getting his face mashed.

nice read

I don't want to put words in bartley's mouth, but he took Weber off the ice for 5 mins.
- madmike71

Oh! You're good. If I didn't know better I'd say you were Bartley.

Of course they wouldn't. He's not as "clutch" as Williams.
- jmatchett383

No one out clutches Shieke Baby

I was in total agreement with the column (except for the idea that it ever made sense to trade away Paul Martin) until Jagr crept his way into it. He's a loser who hasn't produced in the playoffs in nearly a decade. To me, he's Barry Bonds without the cream and the clear.

I honestly think the Penguins are pretty much done. They really don't need a bit player even unless there are further injuries. They're pretty well settled when healthy.

I don't want to put words in bartley's mouth, but he took Weber off the ice for 5 mins.
- madmike71

It was actually 17:55 in the third period. so he wasn't on the ice for the final 2:05 and up 3-1. It wasn't the best idea for Weber, but it looks like he felt a little better after doing it. lol

I don't think I would want to be hit in the head by a Weber right hook.

Maybe next time he can take him off the ice without getting his face mashed.
- jmatchett383

With Cookies rep, he better just settle for getting his face mashed.

I was in total agreement with the column (except for the idea that it ever made sense to trade away Paul Martin) until Jagr crept his way into it. He's a loser who hasn't produced in the playoffs in nearly a decade. To me, he's Barry Bonds without the cream and the clear.

I honestly think the Penguins are pretty much done. They really don't need a bit player even unless there are further injuries. They're pretty well settled when healthy.
- hardnosed

I dunno man, I have to disagree with you there.. 18 points in 33 games (1 goal, 17 assists) isn't exactly "not producing." I also think one of the reason he didn't work in Boston, is because he doesn't exactly fit their style or system and was also relied on to do too much. Where as here, he would not have to, he's be riding shotgun with Sid or Malkin. Jags could easily be a perfect compliment player to the guys we have. People are asking for Jiri Tlusty... who's never even played a playoff game... Christ Stewart... 6 points in 19 games... and Drew Stafford who has 7 points in 20 career playoff games.

Please, that's absurd. Give me Jagr all day.

I was in total agreement with the column (except for the idea that it ever made sense to trade away Paul Martin) until Jagr crept his way into it. He's a loser who hasn't produced in the playoffs in nearly a decade. To me, he's Barry Bonds without the cream and the clear.

I honestly think the Penguins are pretty much done. They really don't need a bit player even unless there are further injuries. They're pretty well settled when healthy.
- hardnosed

Jagr would do just fine in the playoffs with the Pens. I didn't follow NJ that much or Bos when they were in the playoffs with Jagr, but what sort of position was he playing for them? I'm guessing a bottom six.

Jagr still has it. Jagr at 60% is better than an average player. He is the leading point producer on NJ.

I was in total agreement with the column (except for the idea that it ever made sense to trade away Paul Martin) until Jagr crept his way into it. He's a loser who hasn't produced in the playoffs in nearly a decade. To me, he's Barry Bonds without the cream and the clear.

I honestly think the Penguins are pretty much done. They really don't need a bit player even unless there are further injuries. They're pretty well settled when healthy.
- hardnosed

I'm a NO on Jagr. He failed with his Boston run a few years ago. I don't see that soon-to-be 43 year old body holding up over 2 months of playoff hockey.

Plus, once again, to get Jagr, we have to send some salary the other way. No room on the books to send NJ prospects for him.

That's why I think the Williams/Martin swap makes some sense to me. The salary #'s are almost a wash. Salary out. Salary in.

I'd lean towards keeping PMart but if they pulled the trigger on Williams, I wouldn't hate it. Removes any excuses of 87 and 71 having no wingers.

I'm a NO on Jagr. He failed with his Boston run a few years ago. I don't see that soon-to-be 43 year old body holding up over 2 months of playoff hockey.

Plus, once again, to get Jagr, we have to send some salary the other way. No room on the books to send NJ prospects for him.

That's why I think the Williams/Martin swap makes some sense to me. The salary #'s are almost a wash. Salary out. Salary in.

I'd lean towards keeping PMart but if they pulled the trigger on Williams, I wouldn't hate it. Removes any excuses of 87 and 71 having no wingers.
- 87_71_11_29

I agree completely with all of this. Won't be mad if we keep Pmart, won't be mad if we move him for Williams. No on Jagr, we'd have to overpay for him anyway.

Anyone who likes the idea of picking up Drew Stafford or Chris Steward can go jump off a bridge.

Jagr would do just fine in the playoffs with the Pens. I didn't follow NJ that much or Bos when they were in the playoffs with Jagr, but what sort of position was he playing for them? I'm guessing a bottom six.

Jagr still has it. Jagr at 60% is better than an average player. He is the leading point producer on NJ.
- currphij

Nah in Boston he was playing top 6 minutes, just the wrong system for him... he still put up 10 points in 22 games.. I wouldn't necessarily call that a failure...

I dunno man, I have to disagree with you there.. 18 points in 33 games (1 goal, 17 assists) isn't exactly "not producing." I also think one of the reason he didn't work in Boston, is because he doesn't exactly fit their style or system and was also relied on to do too much. Where as here, he would not have to, he's be riding shotgun with Sid or Malkin. Jags could easily be a perfect compliment player to the guys we have. People are asking for Jiri Tlusty... who's never even played a playoff game... Christ Stewart... 6 points in 19 games... and Drew Stafford who has 7 points in 20 career playoff games.

Please, that's absurd. Give me Jagr all day.
- j.boyd919

I'd be 50/50 on the Jagr idea. If the team is willing to limit his TOI down the stretch, maybe scratch him a few meaningless games, then ok. I don't want a Jagr that's played 82 games 18 to 20mins a night for a playoff run.

Haha love the comments, I cant quote anyone because this thread is F'ed.

Crosby for Cooke straight up!!! haha


F Williams

Its a weird feeling when I start to 100% agree with RW on a daily basis, then again I have been talking about getting Jags since the end of last year. Still RW is 100% correct on this one.

WWJJD

But according to LA fans they wouldn't even do Crosby for Williams in the first place
- znagle

Of course they wouldn't. He's not as "clutch" as Williams.
- jmatchett383

Correction ONE LA fan who is smoking something

18 points in 33 games (1 goal, 17 assists) isn't exactly "not producing."
- j.boyd919

1 goal during that time frame. One.

And he looked gassed in those playoffs, too.

And putting him out there on the #1 PP makes no sense. The Penguins have failed with a fancy pants perimeter based PP the last couple of playoffs.

They bring in Hornqvist to change that, and provide a net front presence...and then they're going to go and put him on the barely used second unit so Jagr can try to dippsie doodle around? Asinine.

He is the leading point producer on NJ.
- currphij

Which is the equivalent of winning a "Tallest Dwarf" or "Smartest Philadelphian" contest.

Which is the equivalent of winning a "Tallest Dwarf" or "Smartest Philadelphian" contest.
- hardnosed

1 goal during that time frame. One.

And he looked gassed in those playoffs, too.

And putting him out there on the #1 PP makes no sense. The Penguins have failed with a fancy pants perimeter based PP the last couple of playoffs.

They bring in Hornqvist to change that, and provide a net front presence...and then they're going to go and put him on the barely used second unit so Jagr can try to dippsie doodle around? Asinine.
- hardnosed

Fantastic post and agree 1000% on Horny vs Jagr PP.

Horny is actually the first player I think should be on the #1 unit in the playoffs. Dirty goals win in the playoffs as we all know.